Financial Planner Life Podcast Active vs Passive investing: A Pointless Debate for Financial Planners?
In this episode of Financial Planner Life, host Sam Oakes sits down with Andrew Spence, Co-Founder of Aspen, to challenge the industry’s most controversial questions - what we call the Marmite topics of financial planning.
Aspen was born out of something deeper than disruption. After a personal health crisis led Andrew to reflect on the impact of his work, he decided to build a model portfolio service that put purpose, clarity & client outcomes first.
Now, he’s leading the charge on topics that divide financial services professionals daily.
🚨 Here’s what we cover:
- Is evidence-based investing just clever branding - or genuinely better for clients?
- Why most risk profiling tools are broken & unhelpful
- Should financial planners choose sides in the active vs passive debate?
- The rise of Bitcoin, the return of gold, & the role of private equity in portfolios
- How Aspen uses tech that actually works for financial planners & their clients
- Why first-principles thinking beats copy-paste product design
Andrew shares why financial planners need to stop overcomplicating things & start designing investment experiences that genuinely serve the people behind the portfolios.
This is a must-watch for:
✔️ Financial planners seeking clarity in the chaos
✔️ Firms looking to improve their MPS offering
✔️ Advisers questioning the one-size-fits-all model
✔️ Anyone ready to rethink what investment management should look like
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00:00 - Intro: From engineering to investment management
00:34 - Andrew's early career & first role in wealth management
02:45 - A personal health crisis & the search for purpose
04:44 - Is finance a noble profession?
05:39 - Why start an MPS business in a saturated market?
08:06 - How engineering logic shaped Aspen's investment approach
09:33 - Building intuitive tech for financial planners
11:05 - Starting from scratch: Aspen’s early days & growth
13:28 - Early supporters & the power of trust in MPS
14:41 - Social proof & buying decisions in financial planning
16:17 - Could AI avatars replace financial advisers?
18:21 - Active vs Passive - is the debate pointless?
22:34 - Is evidence-based investing just marketing?
25:16 - Why risk profiling is broken
29:01 - Should Bitcoin or gold be in portfolios?
32:44 - Is private equity too complex for clients?
34:43 - Andrew’s approach to LinkedIn & thought leadership
37:04 - Sam’s take: Building trust & visibility on LinkedIn
41:04 - Why YouTube is a goldmine for financial planners
42:37 - Sam’s full breakdown of a video-first marketing setup
45:19 - Turning content into conversations & conversions
46:32 - Engagement matters: Don’t post & ghost
48:24 - What’s next for wealth management & MPS?
50:01 - Final reflections & how to connect with Aspen
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