The Sean McDowell Show Kirk Cameron Doubles Down on Hell: My Response (w/Gavin Ortlund)
Dec 23, 2025
Gavin Ortlund, a Christian theologian and apologist, dives deep into the controversial topic of annihilationism in his discussion. He explores whether Kirk Cameron's views are heretical, emphasizing that they aren’t first-rank heresy. The conversation touches on biblical evidence, early church diversity, and how to approach discussions about hell with kids. Gavin advocates for charity in disagreements and stresses the need for thoughtful online discourse. The pair also emphasize the importance of scripture-centered responses and humility in discussions.
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Scripture Favors Ongoing Punishment
- Gavin Ortlund rejects annihilationism after weighing the whole of Scripture and key texts like Revelation and Mark.
- He finds the best interpretation points toward ongoing conscious experience for the damned rather than simple cessation of existence.
Historical Diversity On Hell
- Annihilationism appears in early church history and is not strictly modern or novel.
- After Augustine, eternal conscious torment became the dominant position, making annihilationism a minority but historically present view.
Kirk Cameron’s Conversation With His Son
- Kirk Cameron's discussion with his son about the fate of non-Christians sparked his public reconsideration of hell.
- Sean and Gavin praise the father-son theological dialogue and urge giving Kirk benefit of the doubt while examining the texts.