Chat_158 - Is The Bitcoin Mission Fading? with Stephan Livera

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Jan 22, 2026

Join Bitcoin educator Stephan Livera, known for his insightful podcasting and commentary, as he discusses the evolving Bitcoin landscape. He examines whether the cypherpunk ethos is fading, contrasting it with the pragmatic realities of global adoption. Stephan delves into power law growth, the slow adoption stemming from complex infrastructure, and the role of stablecoins in guiding new users. He emphasizes the importance of practical onboarding and measures we can take to integrate Bitcoin into the financial system effectively.

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INSIGHT

Power-Law Adoption Beats Exponential Hype

Adoption follows a power-law, not constant exponential growth.
Expect diminishing percentage gains but huge absolute growth over decades.

INSIGHT

Adopters Will Be Pragmatic, Not Purists

New adopters often won't take the ideological journey to maximal self-custody.
Bitcoin will be used pragmatically by many who prioritize convenience over purity.

INSIGHT

Financial Plumbing Slows Adoption

Replacing global finance requires rebuilding hundreds of infrastructure layers.
Institutional inertia and legacy plumbing make rapid switchovers unrealistic.

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"Of course, central banking, fiat money is bad, but nevertheless, maybe AI and robotics and this productivity is going to be really beneficial to the global economy, not just the U.S. economy.

We're going to start to see the liquidity, the whole U.S. PMI go up, and that's going to cause Bitcoin NGU. That's kind of how I'm seeing this next year or two.

I think we're going to see a lot of AI, productivity and extra liquidity coming in. So I am very bullish on this coming year."

~ Stephan Livera

The Bitcoin landscape has changed dramatically over the last few years, leading many to ask: is the cypherpunk ethos fading away?

I sit down with the legendary podcaster Stephan Livera to explore the tension between ideological purity and the pragmatic reality of global adoption. We dive deep into the "Power Law" of Bitcoin's growth, why our timeframes might be all wrong, and the controversial role of stablecoins as a stepping stone. From the mechanics of Spark and Ark to the arbitrage strategies of treasury companies, we cover how the ecosystem is evolving to meet the world where it is. Are we losing our way, or simply maturing into the financial system of the future?

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Stephan on X (Link: https://twitter.com/stephanlivera)
Stephan's Podcast (Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/StephanLivera)
Stephan's Website (Link: https://stephanlivera.com/)

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