Rupert Spira Podcast Episode 41: Bernardo Kastrup
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Mar 22, 2022 
Rupert Spira and Bernardo Kastrup engage in a wide-ranging conversation on consciousness, exploring the limitations of science, the nature of reality, and the implications on our experiences. They discuss the concept of consciousness as the foundation of reality and debunk the misconception that a consciousness-only model is nihilistic. The speakers delve into the illusory self, the difference between metaconsciousness and phenomenal consciousness, and the striking resemblance between the brain and the universe's structure. They also discuss dissociative identity disorder, the reduction of suffering, interconnectedness with nature, and evidence for analytical idealism and non-duality in relation to death and psychedelic experiences.
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Instant Connection in Amsterdam
- Rupert Spira and Bernardo Kastrup met in Amsterdam and instantly recognized a shared understanding despite different paths.
- Their conversation flowed effortlessly like talking to an old friend who shares profound insights.
Perception Is a Filtered Dashboard
- Perception is like an airplane's dashboard: it provides useful but limited information about reality.
- We mistake this filtered perception for reality itself, causing a fundamental misunderstanding of the world.
World Is Co-Created Experience
- The experienced world is co-created by objective reality and the subjective mind.
- We perceive the real but lend it an appearance shaped by our sensory limitations.