Marty Neumeier is as written many books on design and brand as one of the foremost thinkers on how to build a brand. His books include, The Brand Gap, Zag, The Designful Company, The 46 Rules of Genius and more.

Do you have a brand or a logo? Listen to this discussion between host Bryan Elliott and Marty.

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