Ep 35: CEO of Suno Mikey Shulman on Future of Music with AI, Tactics for Model Eval and Solving the Blank Canvas Problem
May 30, 2024
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CEO of Suno, Mikey Shulman, talks about the future of music with AI, multiplayer music collaboration, model evaluation, pricing strategies, handling usage spikes, raising $125 million, and building Suno. They also discuss the challenges of AI in music creation, evolving infrastructure, open source AI, community engagement, and the intersection of AI and music.
Suno focuses on multiplayer music collaboration and shaping future of digital concerts.
Suno ensures fast music creation by optimizing infrastructure and leveraging transformer models.
AI in music aims for innovative interactive experiences beyond replicating traditional songs, broadening music market.
Deep dives
Future of Music Creation and User Engagement at Suno
Suno's CEO discusses the massive impact of their platform, emphasizing a future focused on AI and audio innovation. User engagement and the challenges faced in scaling to millions of users are highlighted. Two user categories are outlined, casual users creating music for personal narratives and power users immersed in the creative process.
Collaborative Music Creation and Social Interaction
The podcast delves into the social aspect of music creation, emphasizing the joy of collaborative music-making experiences. Suno's exploration of enabling synchronous and asynchronous music collaboration among users is discussed. The potential for interactive music jam sessions and digital concerts is envisioned, enhancing social engagement through music.
Enhancing User Experience and Infrastructure
The importance of delivering fast and high-quality music creation experiences is underscored. Insights into optimizing infrastructure for rapid song generation and leveraging transformer models are shared. The podcast also touches on future aspirations to enhance intuitive prompts and incorporate multilingual capabilities for a more immersive user experience.
Future of AI-Generated Music
The future of AI-generated music involves pushing beyond the ability to replicate a three and a half minute pop song indistinguishable from human creation. The focus shifts towards creating truly innovative and interactive musical experiences, such as playing air guitar with a band or conducting a symphony in real-time. The goal is to enhance user engagement and enjoyment by enabling intuitive and immersive interactions with music, exceeding traditional benchmarks.
Expanding AI in Music Industry
The podcast delves into the expanding role of AI in the music industry, highlighting the potential for diverse businesses catering to various niches. AI technologies, including AI-generated music, have the power to significantly broaden the music market, providing opportunities for professional artists as well as creators of background music for media content. The discussion emphasizes the vast untapped potential in AI-driven music applications and the importance of creating experiences that enhance music's significance in people's lives.
Last week, Suno announced $125M in funding, marking a significant milestone in their journey to reshape the music creation landscape. On this week's episode of Unsupervised Learning, we caught up with Suno's founder, Mikey Shulman, to dive into their approach to multiplayer music collaboration, how they got Suno to be so fast and the future of digital concerts (and workshopped new intro music for the pod 👀).
(0:00) intro (0:31) Mikey’s favorite Suno songs (5:17) who uses Suno? (7:50) teaching people how to use Suno (9:57) new ways to prompt models (13:24) the social aspect of Suno (17:45) how does Suno approach pricing? (19:37) model eval (23:27) how models can improve (24:58) how is Suno so fast? (26:50) handling usage spikes (34:28) raising $125 million (41:00) IP partnerships (45:55) over-hyped/under-hyped (46:56) biggest surprises in building Suno (50:53) generating an Unsupervised Learning theme song (53:26) Jacob and Rashad debrief
With your co-hosts:
@jacobeffron
- Partner at Redpoint, Former PM Flatiron Health
@patrickachase
- Partner at Redpoint, Former ML Engineer LinkedIn
@ericabrescia
- Former COO Github, Founder Bitnami (acq’d by VMWare)
@jordan_segall
- Partner at Redpoint
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