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We have to talk about geoengineering. Part 1.

Feb 5, 2025
01:01:46

Late last year we started interviewing folk in the business of solar radiation management (SRM) - aka one flavour of “geoengineering”. It’s a taboo subject. It’s sci-fi gold. It’s also something we’re going to be talking about. Particularly after famed climate scientist James Hansen and a platoon of other climate scientists published a new paper declaring not just the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to 1.5C to be in the rear-view mirror, but - as Damian Carrington in the Guardian summed it up: “The new analysis said global heating is likely to reach 2C by 2045, unless solar geoengineering is deployed.”

The reason for a lot of this acceleration in global heating, say Hansen and colleagues, is (perversely) the result of successful efforts to reduce pollution. Specifically, removing sulfur from maritime fuel. That sulfur has been causing potentially millions of deaths a year due to respiratory diseases. So it’s being phased out. Only one problem - the sulfur was having the under-appreciated consequence of reflecting quite a lot of sunlight back into space. How much? More than the entire energy output of humanity in a given year. And now that it’s been removed, enough to - according to the paper - drive half the acceleration in global heating over the past 5 years or so.

Hansen is hardly fringe for picking this up, though people don’t all agree on the significance. Zeke Hausfather, who was not involved in the research, is among climate scientist who has acknowledge this “aerosol forcing” problem. Some data of his turned up in Nat Bullard’s superb annual climate deck:

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On the call releasing their findings, Hansen et al discussed SRM. Which (even more perversely) often involves ideas for putting sulfur dioxide back into the atmosphere. But on purpose. To cool things off. To buy time.

So here is part one of a series of conversations about SRM, featuring Kelly Wanser - the head of Silver Lining, one of the leading non-batshit-crazy outfits trying to do research on technologies that might make it possible. We’ll put out part two very soon.



00:00 Introduction to the Climate Crisis

00:28 The Doomsday Clock and Climate Realities

01:57 Hansen's Climate Predictions

02:55 Aerosol Forcing and Global Warming

05:10 Purposeful Global Cooling

08:04 Interview with Kelly Wanser

11:07 Silver Linings' Mission and Climate Interventions

23:19 Challenges and Ethical Questions

31:32 Introduction to Luke Eisman and Make Sunsets

31:50 Neal Stephenson's Influence and Geoengineering Concept

32:45 Luke Eisman's DIY Approach to Geoengineering

34:05 Critique of Non-Expert Interventions

35:10 Challenges in Atmospheric Science

37:51 Responsible Research and Global Perspectives

40:10 The Importance of Atmospheric Monitoring

47:56 Global South and Climate Risk Research 5

2:55 The Montreal Protocol and Climate Agreements

54:54 Final Thoughts and Recommendations



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