Trans Activist vs Female-Only App - Sall Grover | Maiden Mother Matriarch 51
Feb 4, 2024
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Former screenwriter turned app developer, Sall Grover, discusses the legal case Tickle vs. Giggle, its impact on sex-based rights in Australia, challenges in app creation, and critiques the inclusion of gender identity in the Sex Discrimination Act. They also explore the significance of chosen names and autogynephilia in understanding activists' motivations.
The Giggle app, created by Sal Grover, faced backlash from trans activists who labeled it transphobic and TERF, highlighting the ongoing tensions between sex-based rights and gender identity.
Sal Grover's legal battle against gender identity discrimination emphasizes the need to challenge the flawed interpretation of the law and fight for women's rights.
Deep dives
The Origins of Tickle the Giggle and the Importance for Women's Rights
Sal Grover, an Australian activist and former screenwriter, shares the story behind Tickle the Giggle, an app she created to provide support and connections for women. She explains that the app was initially intended for female roommates and expanded to include various areas of support. However, the app faced backlash from trans activists, who labeled it transphobic and TERF. Sal discusses the legal case and the impact it has had on her personally, highlighting the importance of defending sex-based rights.
Sal's Experience in Hollywood and Encountering Sexual Harassment
Sal reflects on her career as a screenwriter in Hollywood, sharing how she quickly sold her first script but faced increasing instances of sexual harassment. She recalls a traumatic incident in which a producer sexually assaulted her during a meeting. These experiences led her to struggle with writing and ultimately affected her mental health. Sal's decision to create the Giggle app was driven by her desire to support women in a more meaningful way.
The App's Challenges and Accusations of Transphobia
Sal discusses the challenges faced by the Giggle app, including the influx of men trying to join, leading to accusations of transphobia. She explains how they implemented safeguards, including gender verification software, to ensure the app remained a safe space for women. However, the app faced cancellation and negative press, ultimately leading to a legal battle. Sal emphasizes the unfairness of being treated as guilty and the need to defend female-only spaces and sex-based rights.
The Legal Battle and Constitutional Challenge
Sal recounts the legal battle she faced when taken to federal court by a man claiming gender identity discrimination. She explains the constitutional challenge they launched, arguing that gender identity should not supersede sex-based rights and that the Sex Discrimination Act has been muddled by the inclusion of gender identity. Sal highlights the asymmetry of resources, with the man being funded by a legal aid fund while she relies on generous donations. She expresses the need to challenge the flawed interpretation of the law and fight for women's rights.
My guest today is Sall Grover, former screenwriter turned app developer, now at the centre of a legal battle titled (I kid you not) Tickle vs. Giggle. Sall explains the background to the case, why it's so important to sex-based rights in Australia, and what is motivating the bizarrely aggressive trans activists who have pursued her through the courts.
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