We’re taking a short break from the Twitter shitshow to give you an interview with Jason Gay, sports and humor columnist at The Wall Street Journal. His new book is “I Wouldn’t Do That If I Were Me: Modern Blunders and Modest Triumphs (but Mostly Blunders).” Gay talks to Peter Kafka about what it’s like to write humor for a publication that’s not exactly known for that, the cognitive dissonance required to enjoy football, and why he isn’t interested in making Elon Musk jokes.

Featuring: Jason Gay Matt Levine (@jasongay), Sports and Humor Columnist at The Wall Street Journal

Host: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode

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