

Navigating the Shift to Commercial Space Stations
Jul 25, 2025
Robyn Gatens, NASA's Director for the International Space Station, joins the discussion to unveil the future of space exploration. She shares insights on the ISS's decommissioning by 2030 and the shift to commercial space stations. The conversation dives into NASA's evolving partnerships with private companies, balancing innovation with safety. Gatens reflects on the ISS's legacy and the emotional farewells ahead. The episode also touches on the implications of AI in space operations and the intriguing potential of external payloads in new commercial platforms.
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Planned Transition Not Competition
- NASA sees the ISS-to-commercial shift as a planned transition, not a competition.
- The agency aims to keep ISS productive through 2030 while enabling commercial platforms.
Government Steps Back, Industry Steps Up
- NASA intends to hand over platform ownership to industry while remaining a customer.
- The goal is to free NASA to focus on moon and Mars work while keeping LEO capabilities.
Transition Funding And Incubation
- Governments must keep funding fundamental science even as commercial applications grow.
- NASA will incubate commercial uses but should phase out subsidies as companies mature.