After Katie and Jesse have a frank discussion about the future of their relationship, they talk about a mind-boggling controversy in the fat activism world and the week everyone became a ‘groomer’ on Twitter. If you’d like to discuss this episode with other premium subscribers, you can do so here.

Show notes/Links:

Katie and Nellie!:

Jesse and Destiny!:

Katie and Jesse and Heterodox and… YOU??? (code BARPod): https://heterodoxacademy.org/conference-2022/

Health at Every Size: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/4937206-health-at-every-size

Creative Funding: https://lindobacon.com/creative-funding/

Health at Every Size principles: https://asdah.org/health-at-every-size-haes-approach/

Mercedes speaks out against Bacon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63524845

Holding Lindo Bacon Accountable for Repeated Harm in the Fat Liberation & HAES® Communities: https://asdah.org/lindo-accountability/

Missing stair/Wet spot: https://bodyliberationphotos.com/2022/03/08/movements-missing-stairs-and-lindo-bacon/

More… stuff:

https://medium.com/@joslynps/i-have-a-lindo-bacon-story-too-103ca1905bf0

Julia Serano’s scary experiences with Jesse:

Ghostwriter callouts:

A Week Into The Lindo-pocalypse: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63858830

Lindo Bacon speaks out: https://lindobacon.com/accountability/?utm_sq=h11nw4rc60

Tema Okun stuff:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/20/richard-carranza-held-doe-white-supremacy-culture-training/

Okay, Groomer:

NYT fact-check of Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn claims: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/21/us/politics/judge-jackson-child-sexual-abuse-fact-check.html

Andrew McCarthy: https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/senator-hawleys-disingenuous-attack-against-judge-jacksons-record-on-child-pornography/amp/

Florida bill: https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article259859150.ece/BINARY/HB%201557%20education%20bill.pdf#storylink=readmore_inline

“One would think that protecting elementary school classrooms from adults attempting to sexualize five through nine year olds would be a no-brainer for a movement that seeks to conserve anything worthwhile:”: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/on-the-groomer-debate/

Sachs & Friends: https://pen.org/these-4-florida-bills-censor-classroom-subjects-and-ideas/

Libs of Tik Tok sucks:

Yglesias on the general grossness:

Gawker aggressively gawkering: https://www.gawker.com/media/oh-no-the-anti-trans-bigotry-we-loved-is-starting-to-feel-homophobic

Image: Burbank, CA - March 22: LGBTQ employees and their supporters walkout of Disney Animation protesting CEO Bob Chapek's handling of the staff controversy over Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill, aka the "Parental Rights in Education" bill, on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 in Burbank, CA. (Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images)

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