Man Booker Prize shortlisted novelist Ruth Ozeki joins us this week to talk about her latest novel The Book of Form and Emptiness which is out now. They chat about how the book took eight years to write, growing up learning to love books in a public library basement, listening to the voices that guide a novel and her past life working as an art director on low budget horror movies! Support the show and hear an extended version, including a story of Ruth's first encounter with Charlotte's Web by subscribing at patreon.com/bookshambles