Richard Cockett, a Senior editor at The Economist with expertise on Sudan, and Daniel Knowles, the international correspondent, dive into the International Criminal Court’s struggle for legitimacy, especially regarding former Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir. They discuss the chaos in Sudan and the court's challenges in enforcing justice for war crimes. The conversation also touches on Norway's oil wealth versus its sustainability goals and LA's efforts to improve public transport, highlighting the broader implications of urban car dependence.