The Bulwark Podcast Bill Kristol: It's the Crimes and the Cover-Up
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Jul 21, 2025 
Bill Kristol, a prominent political analyst and founder of The Bulwark, shares sharp insights on the U.S. government's controversial actions regarding Venezuelan detainees and the geopolitical implications. He discusses the ethical dilemmas surrounding immigration policies and the emotional toll on affected communities. The conversation shifts to the troubling connections between Trump and Epstein, hinting at potential cover-ups. Kristol also examines how recent political dynamics may influence future cooperation and legislative decisions among parties.
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Venezuelans Detained as Hostages
- The U.S. government kidnapped and detained Venezuelans in El Salvador for 125 days, mistreating them horribly.
- These detainees were exchanged for Americans held hostage in Venezuela, highlighting a disturbing hostage swap.
El Salvador Policy Failure
- The deportation policy sending migrants to El Salvador was such an extreme failure that even dictator Bukele criticized it.
- This debacle reveals increasing incompetence and cruelty within U.S. immigration enforcement under Trump.
Harsh Tactics Enforce Self-Deportation
- ICE and immigration enforcement intentionally humiliate migrants to enforce a self-deportation agenda.
- Detaining people in harsh conditions pressures many to abandon legal processes and leave the U.S. voluntarily.