Grace Saves All: Christianity and Universal Salvation

Ep. 211 Dr. Leslie Baynes - author "Between Interpretation & Imagination: C.S. Lewis and the Bible" (plus conjecture on how his view about hell might have changed under current scholarship!)

Oct 27, 2025
Dr. Leslie Baines, an Associate Professor at Missouri State University and author of Between Interpretation & Imagination, delves into C.S. Lewis's nuanced views on the Bible and hell. She discusses the scarcity of rigorous biblical scholarship on Lewis and highlights key influences on his thought, including George MacDonald and Charles Gore. Baines reflects on how modern scholarship, particularly from David Bentley Hart, could influence Lewis's views on salvation. The conversation also explores inclusivity in Lewis’s works and challenges traditional views of eternal punishment.
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ANECDOTE

Researching Lewis At The Kilns

  • Dr. Leslie Baines lived and worked at The Kilns and handled Lewis's manuscripts, describing the experience as almost like touching relics.
  • She slept in Douglas Gresham's room and often felt overwhelmed by pilgrims and emotion while researching Lewis on-site.
INSIGHT

Charles Gore Shaped Lewis's Biblical View

  • Charles Gore profoundly shaped Lewis's approach to scripture, especially early in his Christian conversion around 1931.
  • Gore's influence explains Lewis's rejection of verbal inerrancy and his emphasis on genre and 'sacred fiction.'
INSIGHT

Word As Person, Bible As Varied Genres

  • Lewis and Gore held that the 'Word' is the person of Jesus, not merely scripture, and that scripture may contain errors yet still be inspired.
  • Both insist readers must identify biblical genres and accept 'sacred fiction' like Jonah and Job.
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