The Wisdom & Action Podcast

Nora Bateson on systems thinking and the meadow crisis

Dec 14, 2023

Nora Bateson, celebrated filmmaker and president of the International Bateson Institute, challenges traditional thinking by introducing 'warm logic' and 'double binds'. She explores the 'Meadow' approach of ongoing mutual learning and adaptability. The podcast delves into communication, the importance of reconnecting with our felt experience, and responding differently in challenging situations. It also touches on economic transformation and the concept of embracing the unknown. Overall, a thought-provoking and engaging conversation.

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Quick takeaways

Slowing down and avoiding haste is crucial for smoother progress and better decision-making.

Building relationships and effective communication is key to systems change and addressing complex issues.

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The Importance of Slowing Down

Slowing down and avoiding haste is crucial to prevent making first-order mistakes. Giving things room to develop and move at their own pace allows for smoother progress and better decision-making.

Mutual Learning and Ecological Questioning

01:23

The Theory of Double Binds

04:57

Reflections on Nora Bateson's Insights and the Connection to Biodiversity Loss

02:07

Understanding Systems Change: The Situation Room vs The Meadow

03:37

Introduction

3min

Understanding Systems Change: The Power of Systems Thinking

11min

Embracing Warm Logic and Changing Relationships Through Communication

6min

Understanding and Reconnecting with the Felt Experience

28min

Compassionate Inquiry in the Face of Danger

4min

Reflections on Storytelling, Alternative Responses, and Economic Transformation

2min

Embracing the Unknown and Allowing Emergent Ideas

2min

We are so thrilled to introduce you to the legendary Nora Bateson! Nora is a celebrated filmmaker, writer, and president of the International Bateson Institute in Sweden. Her interdisciplinary work combines biology, cognition, art, anthropology, and psychology where she delves into ecological patterns in living systems. Nora introduces us to the concept of “warm logic” and “double binds” and challenges traditional ways of thinking that are rooted in linear causality. We also explore the difference between the "Situation Room" approach, driven by immediate problem-solving, and the holistic perspective of the "Meadow," which emphasises ongoing mutual learning, adaptability and context. It sounds like a lot, but we promise it's worth it. There's even a saucy poem in the mix! We are so excited for you to listen - let us know what you think by leaving a rating and review on your podcast app, or email us at podcast@smallgiants.com.au and visit us at https://www.smallgiants.com.au/wisdomandaction.

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