Nora Bateson on systems thinking and the meadow crisis
Dec 14, 2023
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Nora Bateson, celebrated filmmaker and president of the International Bateson Institute, challenges traditional thinking by introducing 'warm logic' and 'double binds'. She explores the 'Meadow' approach of ongoing mutual learning and adaptability. The podcast delves into communication, the importance of reconnecting with our felt experience, and responding differently in challenging situations. It also touches on economic transformation and the concept of embracing the unknown. Overall, a thought-provoking and engaging conversation.
Slowing down and avoiding haste is crucial for smoother progress and better decision-making.
Building relationships and effective communication is key to systems change and addressing complex issues.
Deep dives
The Importance of Slowing Down
Slowing down and avoiding haste is crucial to prevent making first-order mistakes. Giving things room to develop and move at their own pace allows for smoother progress and better decision-making.
The Power of Relationships and Communication
Building relationships and fostering effective communication is key to systems change. It involves embracing the complexity of interconnectedness and recognizing that communication is not just about what is said, but also what is possible to say.
The Need for a New Logic
The current logic of problem-solving based on linear causality falls short in addressing complex issues. Embracing a new logic that holds aliveness, embraces variables, and perceives the world as a network of interconnected relationships is essential for meaningful change.
Navigating the Double Bind of Urgency
Navigating the double bind of urgency requires multiple contextual observation and inquiry. Urgency should not be met with shallow solutions or quick fixes, but with ongoing practice of holding complexity, attending to relationships, and creating new possibilities.
We are so thrilled to introduce you to the legendary Nora Bateson! Nora is a celebrated filmmaker, writer, and president of the International Bateson Institute in Sweden. Her interdisciplinary work combines biology, cognition, art, anthropology, and psychology where she delves into ecological patterns in living systems. Nora introduces us to the concept of “warm logic” and “double binds” and challenges traditional ways of thinking that are rooted in linear causality. We also explore the difference between the "Situation Room" approach, driven by immediate problem-solving, and the holistic perspective of the "Meadow," which emphasises ongoing mutual learning, adaptability and context. It sounds like a lot, but we promise it's worth it. There's even a saucy poem in the mix! We are so excited for you to listen - let us know what you think by leaving a rating and review on your podcast app, or email us at podcast@smallgiants.com.au and visit us at https://www.smallgiants.com.au/wisdomandaction.
Books mentioned:
Small Arcs of Larger Circles: Framing Through Other Patterns by Nora Bateson
Combining by Nora Bateson
Wilding: The Return of Nature to a British Farm by Isabella Tree