Ola Tunander joins us to talk about his recent article on the Nord Stream bombing. He is Research Professor Emeritus with the Peace Research Institute in Oslo. Ola Tunander earned his doctoral degree in 1989 with a thesis on US Maritime Strategy. He has written and edited 15 books on geopolitics, military strategy, European security, submarine warfare, and deception operations (aka psychological operations).

Today we focus largely on two of his articles:

• "After Seymour Hersh’s article"
• "'An Underwater U-2': Part I"

Ola Tunander is also the author of the seminal scholarly article on the deep state in the West: “Democratic State v Deep State”

Special thanks to Dana Chavarria for the sound engineering!

Music: "Payroll" by Mock Orange