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Former banker Shaun Hayes, author of The Gray Choice, pleaded guilty to participating in a scheme to defraud Excel Bank and to profit from illegal insider loans and was sentenced to federal prison in 2018. Today, he talks to Liz Lumley about the ultimate cost of his crimes: his family, friends, freedom, and fortune. He also speaks about ethical (and unethical) business practices, reworking the definition of success, and the cost of stepping into the grey areas of business decision-making.
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