One big obstacle for any Republican dreaming of becoming president in 2024: figuring out how to get past Donald Trump–without angering his legions of loyal supporters. One person who just may crack that code is Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. He won re-election in November by a huge margin, one of few bright spots for Republicans in a disappointing year. And he did it by doing something no other Republican has been able to do–appealing to Trump voters (along with independents and even some Democrats) while removing Trump himself from the conversation. 

Bloomberg’s national political correspondent Joshua Greene joins this episode to talk about how DeSantis has so far managed to out-Trump Trump, and whether his strategy will work outside Florida–and possibly take him all the way to the White House.

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