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The Munk Debates Podcast

Munk Dialogue with Graham Allison: the deteriorating relationship between the US and China

Aug 29, 2023
Foreign policy expert Graham Allison joins the podcast to discuss the deteriorating relationship between the US and China, focusing on the potential triggers for conflict. They explore the consequences of this relationship, including the nuclear threat and the challenges faced by Ukraine. Despite the tensions, they highlight the importance of cooperation on global issues and the potential for shared interests in climate, technology, finance, and health to make these powerful rivals unwilling partners.
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  • The deteriorating relationship between the US and China is driven by China's rise and challenge to US dominance, known as the Thucydides trap.
  • The risk of conflict and potential nuclear war between the US and China is heightened by tensions surrounding Taiwan's status and the US commitment to arming Taiwan.

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State of U.S.-China Relations

The relations between the U.S. and China are arguably at their worst in 50 years. China's rise and threat to displace the U.S. from its dominant position has created a dynamic known as Thucydides trap, which historically leads to conflict. The structural reality of a rising power challenging a ruling power contributes to the deterioration in relations.

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