The Talk Show With John Gruber 424: ‘Live From WWDC 2025’, With Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel
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Jun 14, 2025 
Joanna Stern, a technology columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and Nilay Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, dive deep into Apple’s WWDC 2025 announcements. They discuss Siri's evolution and the challenges it faces in a competitive landscape filled with new AI players. The duo also analyze Apple's innovative tools for developers, emphasizing the implications of new coding capabilities. Reflecting on Apple’s design evolution, they share insights on the balance between user familiarity and innovative features in devices like the iPhone.
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Phil Schiller Surprise Appearance
- John Gruber recounts the surprise when Phil Schiller appeared on stage at his live WWDC show in 2015.
- This set a precedent for senior Apple leadership participating in his shows for 10 years straight.
Apple's AI Delivery Philosophy
- Apple’s strategy is to deliver AI features at the right time rather than rushing to ship.
- They want to ensure quality before announcing availability to customers.
Apple's Unique Assistant Architecture
- Apple’s assistant architecture differs markedly from industry standards, avoiding the term "agent."
- Other companies build public agents that perform multi-app tasks; Apple’s approach remains opaque.