There's never ever ever ever ever been a show like...this episode of Outstanding.  On this podcast, most of our conversations and guests fall squarely on the conservative end of the Christian spectrum.  But sometimes it's good to talk to tomatoes.  While he's not quite a tomato himself, Phil Vischer has played one on TV.  The wildly creative Vischer joins host Joseph Backholm as they explore Christian nationalism from all angles of the political spectrum.  While we may not agree with the "Veggie Tales" creator on everything, Phil and Joseph prove that good conversation is still possible even in disagreement.  Have we got a show for you...

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