Charisse Burden-Stelly discusses the history and pervasive nature of the Red Scare and Black Scare in the U.S., exploring their impact on policies, collective consciousness, and social movements. The podcast highlights examples of anti-black and anti-communist governance, challenges faced by black radicals, and the dangerous nature of combining race and class consciousness. It also examines the presence of these scares in modern times and the importance of joining organized movements for effective engagement in the class war.
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Quick takeaways
The Red Scare and Black Scare were pervasive modes of governance that shaped US policies and people from the 20th century to the present.
The Black Scare aimed to undermine Black equality and maintain racial hierarchy through racist ideologies, policies, and practices.
The Red Scare targeted anti-capitalist ideologies, discrediting and marginalizing radicals as subversive agents to American values.
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Historical context of the Red Scare and Black Scare
The Red Scare and Black Scare were not limited to a specific time period, but had long-lasting effects throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. They were modes of governance rooted in anti-communism and anti-Black racial oppression, shaping policies and people in the US.
Black Scare: Fear and hostility towards Black equality
The Black Scare emerged from the post-bellum period and aimed to undermine Black equality, self-determination, and the erosion of white privilege. Racist ideologies, policies, and practices perpetuated fear and hostility towards Black people, maintaining racial hierarchy.
Red Scare: Opposition to anti-capitalist ideas
The Red Scare targeted anti-capitalist ideologies, particularly socialism, communism, and anarchism, portraying them as existential threats to the American way of life. Discourses, policies, and legislation aimed to discredit and marginalize radicals, branding them as subversive agents.
Examples of Black Scare and Red Scare in policies
Policies such as the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 criminalized dissent and critique of the US government during World War I, targeting organizations like the industrial workers of the world (IWW) and UNIA. Members of these organizations were seen as threats to the state and racial hierarchy.
Dangers of Red, Black Combination to the US establishment
The red, black or black, red combination was seen as a double threat by the US establishment. Black radicals who challenged racial and economic oppression, combined with anti-capitalist ideologies, posed a significant challenge to racial hierarchy, capitalism, and US imperialism. This combination was perceived as dangerous and subversive.
The Red Scare — perhaps most well known through the era of McCarthyism that dominated the social, political, and legal spheres of the U.S. in the 1950s — is actually much more than just a brief window of time where communists in the United States were vilified, criminalized, and blacklisted. The Red Scare is actually much more pervasive and longstanding, originating decades before McCarthyism and stretching well into the present. And, when combined with the Black Scare — the fear and hatred of Black people in the United States — it really forms an entire mode of governance that has shaped the character, policies, and collective consciousness of much of U.S.’s 20th and 21st centuries.
To talk about the Black Scare, the Red Scare, and how they work together to create a specific hegemonic atmosphere and policy landscape in the U.S., we’ve brought on Charisse Burden-Stelly, an Associate Professor of African American studies at Wayne State University, a fellow at the Charles Warren Center for Studies in American History at Harvard University, a member of the Black Alliance for Peace, and author of Black Scare / Red Scare: Theorizing Capitalist Racismin the United States, published by the University of Chicago Press.
In this conversation, we discuss the history of the Red and Black Scares by looking at a few different examples of how these modes of governance overlapped and shaped both policies and people in the 20th century. We also explore how these scares have followed us into the present and how they shape and color more contemporary moments like the George Floyd uprisings, the Stop Cop City movement, or the various solidarity movements for Palestinian liberation here in the United States.
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