Cathy Young, a journalist and writer, discusses the war in Ukraine. They talk about the modern history of Russia, the recent history of Ukraine, NATO expansion, Kremlin propaganda, American foreign policy, and the prospect of NATO intervention in Ukraine.
Russia's ambivalence toward integration into Western security structures and its desire for its own sphere of influence contribute to the tensions in Ukraine.
Drawing parallels between the Iraq war and Russia's invasion of Ukraine is misleading, as Russia did not pursue legal channels and had different intentions in annexing Ukraine.
Deep dives
The Complexity of Russia's Perception of NATO
The argument that we need to consider Putin's perspective and the historical insults from the West falls short in fully justifying Russia's actions. While mistakes may have been made, Russia's ambivalence toward integration into the security structures led by the West and its desire to be the leader of its own sphere of influence play significant roles in the current tensions. Moreover, Russia's portrayal of Ukraine as a Nazi regime is baseless and a part of its propaganda efforts. There are complexities in Ukraine's history and the commemoration of certain figures, but it doesn't justify Russia's aggression and violation of international norms.
Misleading Comparisons: Iraq and Russia's Actions
Drawing parallels between the Iraq war and Russia's actions is misleading. While there were debates about the legality of the Iraq war, the situation in Iraq was different. Iraq was in violation of multiple UN resolutions and faced international pressure. Comparing this to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, where there was no such violation or pressure, doesn't hold up. It is also important to note that the US and the West have acknowledged and criticized their own actions in Iraq, unlike Russia, which denies its aggression and spreads propaganda.
The war in Iraq and Russian invasion of Ukraine compared
The speaker compares the war in Iraq to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. They mention that while the US went through legal channels and built a coalition for the war in Iraq, Russia did not pursue any legal avenues before invading Ukraine. They also highlight that the US did not seek to annex Iraq or install a puppet government, in contrast to Russia's intentions in Ukraine. The speaker acknowledges the negative consequences of the war in Iraq but also mentions that initial polling showed a majority of Iraqis welcoming the US troops as liberators.
Challenges in responding to the conflict
The speaker discusses the challenges the US and the West face in responding to the conflict in Ukraine. They mention the difficulty of maintaining a no-fly zone over a large territory like Ukraine and the risk of a direct collision with Russia, potentially leading to nuclear war. The speaker also highlights the dilemma of not taking decisive action due to fear of nuclear escalation, which could embolden Putin to make further demands. The conversation touches on the impact of sanctions on Russia's economy and the concern that desperation may lead Putin to consider the use of tactical nukes. They note that the conflict has reignited the division between the free world and the authoritarian world, reminiscent of the Cold War.
This episode is all about the war in Ukraine. Now, it's an unusually dense episode but I really recommend you pay attention to this episode because Cathy is just a wealth of information. We spend the first half-hour discussing the modern history of Russia, from the dissolution of the Soviet Union, where Cathy spent her childhood and her young adulthood to the Yeltsin era and the rise of Putin. We spend the next half-hour discussing the recent history of Ukraine, from the Orange Revolution in 2004-2005 to the Euromaidan protests and the Revolution of Dignity.
We go on to discuss the alleged role of NATO expansion and creating this crisis, the role of Kremlin propaganda, the alleged presence of Nazis in Ukrainian leadership, American hypocrisy and foreign policy. We also talk about the DIS analogy between the war in Iraq and the war in Ukraine, the cancellation of everything Russian, the prospect of NATO intervention in Ukraine, the concept of nuclear blackmail, and more.
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