Dr. Viren Murthy joins Ash Milton to discuss the philosophy of world order in modern Japan and China. Topics include Pan-Asianism in the Japanese Empire, Miki Kiyoshi and the Kyoto School, and the thought of Chinese intellectuals Zhao Tingyang and Jiang Shigong. In the second half, they delve deep into the Chinese concept of tianxia (All-Under-Heaven). Do tianxia's advocates have what it takes to build a world order beyond the West?
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