Chris Nichols first met Steve Clark at Anthropy 25 - a gathering of social change-makers at the Eden Project organised by John O’Brien. Chris was blown away by Steve’s personal story around his stage four cancer diagnosis, and how he has harnessed his experience to lead social change through education, activism and patient participation. In this episode Steve and Chris explore this story, and take a deep dive into shifting the language around cancer care, palliative care and more. It’s a powerful, personal and positive episode.