Episode 33. While in Atlanta at the 2019 ISIT DBT conference, Ulland and Jo continue an interview with Izzy and Julianna, a mother-daughter dyad from a family they worked with over two years ago. They share what it was like as an individual and family to learn and apply DBT to their life and the challenging family work they were open and willing to take on. Izzy discusses how the idea of learned helplessness broke her stuckedness so she could pursue change with a passion.