John Murray and Ian Dennis join Alistair Bruce-Ball to lift the lid on life as 5 Live commentators. From Ian’s floppy disk of research to pre-interview smalltalk with Steven Gerrard, they reveal stories you don’t normally get to hear. And as it’s an Ali Bruce-Ball podcast, of course there’s some fun and games as well.

02:00 No rest for the commentator! 06:05 Ian’s floppy disk 09:05 Encounters with new Man Utd boss Ruben Amorim 13:50 ‘Kevin Dalglish’ 15:20 Pre-interview smalltalk 18:10 The ‘Wheel of Spiel’ 24:30 Difficulties of commentating on Man City 29:30 Ian Holloway’s spooky interview 31:30 ‘Clash of the commentators’ quiz 36:10 What’s it like commentating at 3pm on Saturday? 39:30 The Great Dictionary of Football Commentary

BBC Sounds / 5 Live commentaries this weekend: Arsenal v Nottingham Forest – Premier League – 15:00 – Saturday 23 November Man City v Tottenham – Premier League – 17:30 – Saturday 23 November Southampton v Liverpool – Premier League – 14:00 – Sunday 24 November Ipswich v Man Utd – Premier League – 16:30 – Sunday 24 November