In this episode, we speak with New Brunswick's child, youth & seniors' advocate, Kelly Lamrock. Kelly shares his insights and experiences from his time as a cabinet minister, including the importance of stakeholder engagement, the difficulties of balancing competing interests, and the need for patience in achieving lasting change. We also discuss the role of technology in education, the impact of COVID-19 on the education system, and the potential for positive change that can emerge from the current crisis. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in education policy reform.