In this podcast, Logan Jastremski interviews Nick White, COO of Celestia Labs, about the end game of Solana and Celestia. They discuss topics such as the importance of abundant block space, low fees, and verifiability, the challenges of scaling block production, the benefits of a modular approach in blockchain, the differences in architecture and design choices between Celestia and Solana, censorship resistance in blockchain, new proposals for consensus protocols, the concept of proof aggregation, and customization and flexibility in Web3.