The Matts speak to Andy Cowper, one of the leading journalists on health policy in the country - so someone who actually knows what he’s talking about. Andy gives a brilliant assessment of why the NHS is so broken today and how Keir Starmer should approach its repair. Also - are you holding your pets just that bit closer these days with the news they are being eaten by immigrants? The Matts consider the fall out from the Harris-Trump debate. Enjoy!

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