00:00:00 Intro: empirical vs armchair philosopher. Visual vs tactile understanding.

00:06:08 How subjective experience rises from physical matter. Entering wine into your body vs seeing a tomato. Perception of color, pain, interoception.

00:14:09 Consciousness is not a thing, but conscious is an adjective.

00:18:24 Brain is (part of) the body. The developmental biology view.

00:21:23 Immune system: what is you, what is not you?

00:24:30 Cells, tissue, (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rvmvt7gscIM) organs, body, how does hierarchical agency function? The relational ontology.

00:27:08 Love, hate, and self, me and not me, at every level.

00:28:24 Pregnancy. How selves are created and negotiating.

00:30:45 Homeostasis and autopoiesis. Allostasis and homeorhesis. We are systems that create themselves. How we learn to deal with gravity? Self disorders.

00:38:51 How to do science about first person experience? Reported lived experiences, physiological measurements, brain imaging.

00:44:36 Depersonalization. No self-organizing system without movement. Transparent background and its crack. Can't afford processing the self in the background. Sense of touch or odor can bring you back. Fetuses touch themselves and each other.

00:55:14 4P of John Vervaeke, is depersonalization a disorder of relevance realization? Automatic vs automaton.

01:01:09 Meditation vs depersonalization, phenomena of the same system? Psychosis and depersonalization.

01:07:29 Movement and depersonalization.

01:09:55 Autism and depersonalization. Why is Anna interested in depersonalization?

01:13:23 Feeling like a zombie or a ghost.

01:16:22 Dissociation and depersonalization.

01:19:01 The detachment of scientists of their subjects. Anna's question to me: what drove me to create the podcast? Soul hunting through interacting with people. We can't do it alone. Movement medicine and contact dance. 

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Artwork: DALL-E

Music: Bea Palya https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBDp3qcFZdU1yoWIRpMSaZw

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