After seeing a lot of surveillance camera networks pop up on the streets in China back in 2017, Liza Lin and her writing partner Josh Chin's interest was piqued. They were not surprised that the Chinese government was spying on its citizens, but they were surprised by the method. Liza is a co-author of, "Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control" and an award-winning China technology correspondent at The Wall Street Journal.

Liza joined us for a fascinating conversation that covered:

• China's surveillance relied on advanced technology from US suppliers
• The implementation of export control policies covering advanced technology and chip sales to China
• The impact of these policies on US technology and chip companies
• A renewed focus by the Chinese government to foster technology independence
• The impact on global supply chains and China-US relations
• How some US companies have been able to circumvent these restrictions
• The potential for the balance of power in the semiconductor industry to shift as China invests heavily in this sector

Some other titles we considered for this episode:

1. At The Beginning, Everybody Thought Technology Was Neutral
2. Nobody Wants to Be the Next Huawei
3. A Looming US-China Rivalry in the Semiconductor Industry
4. Export Controls and the Implications for National Security