669 Obsessed with Melville (with Jennifer Habel and Chris Bachelder) | My Last Book with Alexander Poots
Jan 13, 2025
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Jennifer Habel, a poet and co-author of 'Days Work,' and Chris Bachelder, a novelist, dive into the obsession that sparked Habel's midlife exploration tied to Herman Melville's life and literature. They discuss how Melville's works, particularly 'Moby Dick,' evolved from obligation to genuine appreciation for them. The conversation also reveals the profound friendship between Melville and Hawthorne, alongside themes of personal struggle, ambition, and legacy, as both artists reflect on their own journeys and the impact of their literary inspirations.
The podcast explores how Herman Melville's complex relationships, especially with his wife and Nathaniel Hawthorne, influenced his literary creativity and struggles.
Jennifer Habel and Chris Batchelder discuss their novel 'Dayswork', reflecting on Melville's legacy while intertwining personal narratives arising from pandemic-induced introspection.
Deep dives
The Impact of Herman Melville
The podcast examines the influential life and works of Herman Melville, particularly through the lens of his relationships and the complexities of his marriage. Melville's struggles as a writer struggling for recognition, notably highlighted during the creation of 'Moby Dick', serve as a focus point. The conversation reveals how his interactions with literary figures like Nathaniel Hawthorne played a pivotal role in shaping Melville's writing journey. The hosts explore Melville's deep obsession with art and its costs, suggesting that his artistic pursuits often came at personal costs, reflecting broader themes of ambition and identity.
Writing 'Days Work'
The authors Jennifer Habel and Chris Batchelder share insights into their collaborative novel, 'Days Work', which reflects on Melville's life while also exploring the narrator's personal journey. Their writing process began during the pandemic, which enabled them to frequently discuss and synthesize their research about Melville into a cohesive narrative. The novel is described as a fragmented research log, where each piece interconnects, illustrating the character’s careful quest for truth amidst the chaotic backdrop of her life. This layered approach allows for an immersive experience that combines literary analysis with personal introspection.
The Complexity of Relationships
The podcast delves into the intricate dynamics of Melville's relationships, primarily with his wife Elizabeth and close friend Nathaniel Hawthorne. Melville's marriage is portrayed as multifaceted, revealing early admiration and support from Elizabeth that shifted into struggles over mental health and artistic ambition. The discussion highlights the tension between personal affection and artistic collaboration, suggesting that both relationships significantly influenced Melville's writing. Furthermore, comparisons are drawn between the Melville-Elizabeth dynamic and the relationship between literary figures Elizabeth Hardwick and Robert Lowell, illustrating the often complicated interplay between love and art.
Legacy and Influence of Melville
The conversation reflects on Melville's enduring influence among modern writers and how his life experiences resonate with contemporary literary themes. The hosts assert that despite Melville's temporary obscurity in his later years, his radical ideas and stylistic innovations have inspired numerous writers across generations. They discuss how Melville's works, particularly 'Moby Dick,' serve as a touchstone for exploring complex human experiences, making him a 'patron saint' for many in the literary community. The dialogue suggests that Melville's unique blend of ambition, artistry, and introspection continues to captivate readers, encouraging a deeper examination of personal and societal narratives.
What happens when a woman becomes obsessed with Herman Melville during the pandemic? What if the process of sorting fact from fiction in Melville's work inspires a midlife reckoning with her own marriage and ambition? And what if she (a poet) and her husband (a novelist, by the way) write a book about all of it? Well, the result would be something like Dayswork: A Novel, which has been called "a supremely literate achievement that wears its erudition lightly." In this episode, Jacke talks to the poet and her novelist husband, Jennifer Habel and Chris Bachelder, about what Melville means to them. PLUS Alexander Boots (The Strangers' House: Writing Northern Ireland) discusses his choice for the last book he will ever read.