

Ep 69: Co-Founder of Databricks & LMArena on Current Eval Limitations, Why China is Winning Open Source and Future of AI Infrastructure
104 snips Jun 17, 2025
Ion Stoica, co-founder of Databricks and Anyscale, and founder of LMArena, dives into the intricacies of AI model evaluation. He reveals the shortcomings of traditional metrics and discusses new dynamic systems for assessing AI models. Stoica highlights the competitive edge China has in open-source AI, urging the need for collaboration in the tech landscape. The conversation also touches on the importance of human involvement in evaluations and the ongoing challenges in AI infrastructure and optimization, reflecting on the future of data and AI in enterprises.
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Vicuna Model and Evaluation Story
- Ion Stoica and students at Berkeley developed the Vicuna model by fine-tuning LLaMA on shared GPT data.
- To evaluate Vicuna, they initially used human evaluators and then GPT-4 as a judge, pioneering LLM-based model evaluation.
Dynamic Evaluation Over Static Benchmarks
- Static benchmarks for LLM evaluation are ineffective due to contamination and repetition.
- Dynamic, human-preference-based tournaments with ELO rating better capture performance and scale evaluation.
Scaling Model Evaluation
- Build evaluation platforms that offer free access to powerful models for unbiased human feedback.
- Scale evaluations beyond small groups using proxies like style control to mitigate subjectivity and bias.