

The President's Path: Trump and Zelensky's rift
Feb 22, 2025
In this discussion, Sumi Somaskanda, a BBC reporter covering the German elections, and Bernd Debusmann, a seasoned journalist who traveled with Trump on Air Force One, break down the tensions between Trump and Zelensky. They explore how Trump’s harsh criticisms have escalated into accusations of Zelensky being a 'dictator.' The dialogue reveals the intricate layers of U.S.-Ukraine relations and the ripple effects on global politics, highlighting the stakes involved as the war in Ukraine unfolds.
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Trump's Daytona 500 Visit
- Bernd Debusmann witnessed President Trump's Daytona 500 flyby on Air Force One, with TVs tuned to Fox News.
- Trump's motorcade drove onto the tilted track, creating a surreal experience for Debusmann.
Shifting Stance on Ukraine
- President Trump's stance on Ukraine has shifted, blaming Zelensky for the invasion.
- This transactional view of Ukraine's future departs from previous administrations' focus on democratic defense.
Focus on Rare Earth Minerals
- Trump's focus on a rare earth mineral deal with Ukraine reveals a transactional approach to foreign policy.
- He views Zelensky's refusal to sign the deal as a personal slight.