Patrick Lovell is the producer of 5 part docu-series The Con. The Con is an in-depth investigation into the 2008 financial crisis nine years in the making, Who did it, why it happened and how our country went from “of, for and by the people,” to “of, for and by the corporation.” And what’s past is prologue: The heist of our democracy that includes fraudulent practices, massive credit card debt, student loans, auto loans, and the revolving door between finance and government, is still going on, and will become even worse than before.

Sean Dustin from the Nowhere To Go But Up podcast, co-hosts with me. I was recently interviewed on Sean's show, so please also check out that conversation.