Paloma Fernández Pérez is a historian who studies the healthcare system. Her findings throughout history on systems all over the world started with Michael Porter, but went so much further. In this episode we talk about pandemics and why we should treat the Covid-19 pandemic like a war. We discuss the differences between healthcare systems from all over the world. What we also discuss is patents and the working together of governments and pharmaceutical companies. Paloma has written a book that was recently published called ‘The Emergence of Modern Hospital Management and Organisation in the World 1880s-1930s’ and has worked out countless articles. Enjoy this episode of the Rethinking Podcast, with Paloma Fernández Pérez.