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Ben Callahan joins Elyse for a fun conversation on creating impact with design systems. Ben shares insights from his consulting experience, discussing common pitfalls like organizations expecting a design system without adequately supporting their teams. They break down the "Four Quadrants of Design System Impact" framework, which breaks down tactical versus strategic work, helping teams avoid pitfalls like endless component creation. Plus, hear Ben’s predictions for the future of design systems

Links & References

Ben Callahan on LinkedIn
The Question
Redwoods, Ben's community supporting design system practitioners
Ben's post on The Four Quadrants and Why you’re NOT seeing Holistic Impact from your Design System
Ben's overview of our episode of The Question
Cam Worboy's Broken Promises of Design Systems talk at Config 2024 (and the worst screen made with DS components)
Kotter's Leading Change book

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