It Could Happen Here Natalism feat. Andrew
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Dec 10, 2025 Dive into the clash between natalism and antinatalism, exploring the philosophical roots and key arguments of both sides. Discover how antinatalism grapples with the ethics of consent and suffering, while examining the political rise of pronatalism and its implications on women's autonomy. The hosts also tackle the role of technology and reactionary politics in shaping pro-birth movements. Ultimately, they advocate for personal autonomy amidst the complex debates surrounding reproduction and existence.
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Antinatalism's Core Moral Claim
- Antinatalism argues bringing people into existence is morally wrong because life guarantees suffering.
- David Benatar's asymmetry claims absence of pain is good while absence of pleasure isn't bad, supporting non-creation.
Philosophical Roots Of Antinatalism
- Andrew Sage traces antinatalist roots to Schopenhauer and Emil Cioran's pessimism as philosophical precursors.
- He notes David Benatar's book as the modern centerpiece of antinatalist thought.
Deluded Gladness vs Lived Joy
- Antinatalists claim people are deluded about life's value due to optimism and biased memory.
- Andrew Sage and Mia Wong counter that joys, creativity, and potential goods often outweigh suffering.
