

Space invaders: Russia’s NATO nose-thumbing
36 snips Oct 2, 2025
Shashank Joshi, the Defence editor at The Economist, discusses Russia's recent airspace incursions, describing them as strategic moves to test NATO's resolve. He outlines potential responses from NATO and the risks of escalation. Meanwhile, John McDermott reports from Madagascar, where widespread protests are driven by deep poverty and government corruption. He highlights stark inequalities and the impact of Soviet-era policies on current governance. The conversation also touches on the surprising benefits of sunlight for mood and health.
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Deliberate Grey-Zone Pressure On Europe
- Russia's recent aircraft and drone incidents form a deliberate pressure campaign in Europe's 'grey zone' of conflict.
- This pattern aims to test NATO resolve and exploit political divisions, especially transatlantic doubts.
Incursions Aim To Strain Transatlantic Unity
- Russia's tactics amplify doubts about US commitment and deepen divisions within NATO.
- Moscow hopes that uncertainty will make Europe feel isolated and weaker in negotiations over Ukraine.
Boost Defences And Rethink Proportional Responses
- Strengthen air defences and develop low-cost counter-drone systems to avoid wasting expensive missiles.
- Debate proportional responses carefully, including whether to shoot down violators or impose new economic and legal costs on Russia.