Congressional Dish CD325: Politics Trump Science at the CDC
Oct 29, 2025
In this eye-opening discussion, Dr. Susan Menares, a former CDC Director and immunologist, details political pressure at the CDC regarding vaccine approvals. She reveals alarming demands from HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to pre-approve changes without evidence and plans to fire non-compliant scientists. Deborah Oury, former CDC chief medical officer, shares her resignation story and concerns over censorship and weakened health protocols. Together, they warn of the long-term public health risks of eroding vaccine trust and reducing surveillance.
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Politicization Sparked Bipartisan Oversight
- Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s actions at HHS dramatically politicized CDC leadership and processes.
- That politicization prompted rare bipartisan Senate oversight led by Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy.
Fired CDC Director's Firsthand Account
- Dr. Susan Menares says RFK Jr. demanded she pre-approve all ACIP recommendations and fire career scientists or resign.
- She refused, was told the White House had been contacted about her removal, and was fired 29 days into her tenure.
Chief Medical Officer Resigned In Protest
- Deborah Horry resigned as CDC chief medical officer citing censorship and politicized science.
- She said CDC leaders were reduced to rubber stamps supporting policies not based in science.