John talks to Page Chen, CEO of Remote Learner; a learntech business leader with a strong academic background. How does she characterise the development of learning systems in the first two decades of the 21st Century, a period during which there was a good deal of pushback from 'guru' figures and practitioners alike against the admin-focused model promulgated by the industry? Have we reached a place now where the design of learning systems is better informed by learning science?   02:58 How did she get into learning technologies? 07:43 How well do the academic and corporate views of learntech align? 10:26 Development of the learntech industry in C21 14:38 Content & Platform 25:22 Data and modern learning systems 30:54 What is the right balance between supporting learners and giving them autonomy? 37:52 Will L&D have to reskill for an adaptive, AI-driven future?   Mentioned in the discussion: B. J. Fogg, behavior scientist at Stanford University: https://www.bjfogg.com/   Remote Learner's website: https://www.remote-learner.com/   Contact Page Chen Linked: linkedin.com/in/pagechen Personal website: pagechen.com Twitter: @pagechenphd   Contact John Helmer Twitter: @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/   Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer & Ben Betts – 'Data & learning: A new common-sense approach' https://learningpool.com/data-learning-a-new-common-sense-approach/