This week’s guest hardly needs an introduction. Father Richard Rohr is a Franciscan priest, the author of several well-known books on spirituality, including his latest The Universal Christ, and the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation in New Mexico. In this wide-ranging interview, we talk to Father Richard about the difference between “Jesus” and “Christ,” the dangers of tribal religion and how we should approach this most unusual Lenten season.

We wanted to give this conversation plenty of space (you’ll understand why when you listen), so no Signs of the Times this week.

Links from the show:

Center for Action and Contemplation

The Universal Christ: How a Forgotten Reality Can Change Everything We See, Hope For, and Believe

Lent reflections, podcasts and more from America's staff

What’s on tap?

Nothing! Our 40 days of abstinence from alcohol begins.

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