Radio Atlantic Trump Is Enjoying Himself
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Apr 28, 2025 
Join Jeffrey Goldberg, Editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, who faced Donald Trump in the Oval Office, and Atlantic staff writers Michael Scherer and Ashley Parker, as they unravel Trump's fascinating political journey. They discuss the surprising warmth of their Oval Office encounter despite past insults. The trio delves into Trump's evolving strategies since his time in the political wilderness and how he relishes his second term as a grand adventure. They also touch on the implications of his controversial social media presence and the complexities of engaging with powerful political figures.
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Goldberg's Oval Office Meeting
- Jeffrey Goldberg met Donald Trump in the Oval Office despite Trump calling him a "total sleazebag."
- Trump was mostly charming and acknowledged the hostility of his Truth Social post was meant to "up the pressure."
Trump's Vampire Lesson
- Trump's comeback taught him that attacks only made him stronger, like a vampire immune to stakes.
- He mastered bending reality to his will by never giving quarter and shaping narratives to his advantage.
Second Term Confidence Shift
- Trump enters his second term with emboldened confidence and readiness to govern aggressively.
- Unlike his first term, he now believes he can act without restraint or opposition within his team.