Between Chaos and Order | Maps of Meaning Series | Episode 2 (WiM389)
Nov 8, 2023
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Luke de Wolf, co-host of the Freedom Footprint Show, joins the podcast to discuss "Maps of Meaning" by Jordan Peterson. Topics include the domain of known and unknown, taking responsibility, and the difference between normal and revolutionary life.
Venturing into the unknown is necessary for discovering new things and creating something new.
Mythology and narrative stories play a crucial role in helping us navigate and make sense of the unknown.
Understanding the known and unknown aspects of life through different levels of analysis is essential for personal growth and resilience.
Deep dives
The Importance of Embracing the Unknown
Going into the unknown is not necessarily a bad thing. It is an essential part of the journey as it is where both threat and novelty reside. Discovering new things and creating something new requires venturing into the unknown.
The Role of Mythology and Narrative in Understanding the Unknown
Mythology and narrative stories play a crucial role in helping us navigate and make sense of the unknown. They provide examples of how to act and deal with the unknown, abstracting away empirical reality to convey deeper meanings and lessons. Narrative stories allow individuals to understand the world in a different way, making it relevant for exploring the unknown and handling the interplay between the known and the unknown.
The Three Levels of Analysis: Normal Life, Neuropsychological Function, and Mythological Representation
The three levels of analysis provide a framework to understand the impact of the unknown in our lives. Normal life encompasses our day-to-day experiences and how we navigate obstacles and adapt to challenges. The neuropsychological aspect delves into the biological and cognitive responses we have to the unknown, such as redirecting attention, generating fear and curiosity, and modified behavior. Lastly, the mythological representation explores the role of narratives and myth in shaping our understanding and response to the unknown, providing a higher level of meaning and guidance.
Navigating the Sequence of Behavior and Dealing with Obstacles
The podcast episode explores the idea that life is a sequence of behavior that constantly encounters obstacles and changes. The speaker emphasizes the importance of being able to adapt to these challenges. Whether an obstacle appears promising or threatening, individuals must determine whether to continue with their original plan or choose a new sequence. The ability to generate or choose new sequences is crucial, as unpredicted outcomes and uncertainties are a common part of life. The podcast highlights the significance of being able to deal with threats and anxieties effectively, and the importance of embracing and learning from them.
The Importance of Framing and Embracing unknowns
The podcast delves into the significance of framing experiences and understanding the known and unknown aspects of life. Framing allows individuals to make sense of circumstances, providing a determinate and predictable structure. By reframing situations, people can navigate uncertainties and respond more productively to challenges instead of becoming overwhelmed by anxiety. The podcast shares examples, such as reframing the fear of public speaking as excitement or prepping someone for the symptoms of food poisoning, to demonstrate how framing can make difficult situations more manageable. Embracing the uncertainties, vulnerabilities, and impermanence of life is emphasized, as it allows individuals to approach obstacles courageously and responsibly, ultimately facilitating personal growth and resilience.
Luke de Wolf joins me for a multi-episode conversation exploring the excellent book "Maps of Meaning" by Jordan Peterson. In this episode, we discuss the domain of known and the unknown, the importance of taking responsibility, and the difference between normal life and revolutionary life.
Luke de Wolf is the co-host of the Freedom Footprint Show.
// OUTLINE // 00:00:00 - Coming up 00:00:23 - Intro 00:01:56 - Helping Lightning Startups with In Wolf's Clothing 00:02:42 - Introducing Luke de Wolf 00:03:07 - Understanding the Narrative 00:06:50 - Does Mythology Explain Praxeology? 00:10:58 - Mythology Provides Moral Lessons 00:14:12 - Collapse of the Meaning 00:17:12 - Metaphors We Live by 00:20:27 - The Domain of Known and the Unknown 00:23:39 - The Meaning of the Word “Way” 00:25:53 - Taking the Proper Action 00:28:00 - The Chaos of the Unknown 00:30:46 - The Four Myths 00:31:53 - Novelty Resides in the Unknown 00:34:51 - Reaching the Ideal Future 00:37:24 - Dealing with Phobias 00:41:04 - Run Your Business from Anywhere with NetSuite 00:42:09 - Secure Your Bitcoin Stash with the iCoin Hardware Wallet 00:43:05 - Transforming the Unknown and Making it Known 00:44:27 - Pragmatic Value of Religion 00:48:04 - Conceiving the Highest Good 00:51:01 - The Importance of Taking Responsibility 00:54:50 - Push Yourself to the Edge 00:57:38 - Among Failures, Success Lies 01:00:44 - What Makes Human Unique 01:03:30 - Acting Without Thinking 01:06:01 - The Value of Knowledge 01:07:00 - Three Levels of Analysis 01:09:18 - Enhance Your Brain Power with Mind Lab Pro 01:10:25 - Take Control of Your Healthcare with CrowdHealth 01:11:27 - A Bitcoin Wallet with Privacy Built-In: Wasabi Wallet 01:12:18 - Normal Life vs. Revolutionary Life 01:13:59 - The Business Meeting Example 01:22:40 - When Survival is the Only Way 01:25:26 - The Importance of Wealth 01:26:57 - Where to Find Luke on the Internet
