Saeed Jones, a poet exploring race and identity, and Zach Stafford, a journalist and MSNBC columnist, discuss the remarkable legacy of André Leon Talley in the fashion world. They highlight Talley's role as a groundbreaking Black editor at Vogue and his influence in the LGBTQ+ community. The conversation delves into his kindness on 'America's Next Top Model' and his historic representation of race and beauty. They reflect on his challenges and triumphs, emphasizing the ongoing struggle for inclusivity in fashion.
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Talley's Fairy Tale Rise
Andre Leon Talley's life was like a fairy tale, from discovering Vogue in segregated Durham to becoming a fashion icon.
His grandmother and Diana Vreeland, both sources of joy, were his biggest influences.
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Top Model Impact
Many people Talley's age didn't recognize his influence until his appearance on America's Next Top Model.
The show introduced him to a wider audience, particularly millennials.
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Talley's Kindness on ANTM
Unlike other, often harsh judges, Talley saw potential in a rough-around-the-edges Black model on ANTM.
His kindness and encouragement helped launch her successful modeling career.
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A towering figure of the fashion world, André Leon Talley was impossible to ignore. His influence extended well beyond the runway — during his time at Vogue, he was a rare Black editor in a largely white industry, and also a major figure in the LGBTQ+ community.
In this episode of It's Been A Minute, host Sam Sanders discusses Talley's influence and legacy with Saeed Jones and Zach Stafford.
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