In this episode, we talk with Tommie Shelby about whether and when states lack the standing to punish. We also discuss Tommie's book on prison abolitionism, which makes the case for prison reform without accepting that incarceration is illegitimate.

Tommie's website: https://www.tommieshelby.com/

Tommie's book, The Idea of Prison Abolition: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691229751/the-idea-of-prison-abolition

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