Michael Saylor joins me to discuss anthropology, energy, and technology from first principles as we build the intellectual foundation necessary to truly grasp the historic significance of Bitcoin.

00:00:00 - Episode Trailer
00:01:04 - Swan Bitcoin
00:03:23 - Robert's Intro
00:05:45 - Bitcoin - The first digital monetary energy network
00:19:58 - Channeling energy – money as the highest form of energy
00:12:47 - The most efficient way to channel energy thru time & space
Challenges of channeling & storing energy on power grids
Gold money as an energy network
00:17:26 - Copper energy networks vs. Gold energy networks
00:21:54 - Challenges of channeling energy thru time & space with Gold
00:23:27 - Gold & counterparty risk.
“Over a long enough timeline, the mortality rate is 100%”
00:24:45 - Gold & commodity risk “Gold miners are the enemy of gold owners”
00:30:37 - Gold Standard & stabilizing energy in solid state
00:32:07 - Businesses always strive to avoid being commoditized
00:33:07 - Facebook, Apple, Google networks vs Electricity & Water networks.
00:34:09 - Challenges of using Big Tech as a Store of Value
00:33:17 - Regulating Standard Oil, Electricity as utilities
00:36:23 - Summary of Gold Defects over time- Mining, Banks, Centralization, Politics
00:37:24 - Gold not fast enough (Bitcoin vs. Gold)
00:41:32 - Bitcoin is 1000x faster than Gold, 50,000x cheaper to move
00:42:22 - Bitcoin like Mass Transit system
00:43:17 - Bitcoin as a superconducting energy network
00:44:34 - Encrypted monetary energy has achieved escape velocity from the gravity well
00:45:54 - The most efficient system for channeling energy thru time & space
00:47:37 - Monetary Systems – Fiat vs. Gold vs. Bitcoin
00:50:37 - Finding more Gold & fracking more Oil
00:53:19 - Being a tech cynic is a losing trade “Malthusian Falacy”
00:54:55 - “Technology Fails until it Succeeds”
00:55:52 - Intellectual Mistake to run Money on Commodities rather than Math
00:57:02 - Bitcoin channels human ingenuity constructively
00:57:56 - Fiat (-99%) Gold (-95%)
Bitcoin is lossless over time w/healthy friction thru space
00:59:13 - Transaction fees are healthy and essential
00:59:43 - Bitcoin energy network vs. Real Estate energy network
Energy loss, transaction speed, fees in property network
01:02:52 - Challenges of using Property as Store of Value
01:03:39 - Future Bitcoin Transaction fees
Comparison to bond market, credit cards
01:04:37 - Cities are built at the central nodes of transaction networks
Free ports, customs fees & shipping through history
Real world considerations for transaction fees
Bitcoin transactions fees are competitive
01:08:10 - Bitcoin mining is a commodity business with risks
Mining fees are consensual, competitive, & constructive
01:10:35 - Robert’s Outro
01:47:21 - End

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