Propaganda does psychological damage, no matter what side it comes from. In Chapter 4: "Psychological Effects of Propaganda" Jacques Ellul lays out the alienation, crystallization, and ambiguous demoralization of propaganda. The hosts wrestle with the seeming similarities between religion and psychological techniques, the need to commit oneself to something bigger than yourself, and how to get out of this puzzle. Also--earthquakes make the internet work as intended (temporarily), sticky floors, and totality. Have a listen!